>"Maybe we were too optimistic about the idea of the streets being lined with cheering people. Although I have reconciled it in my own mind, we perhaps didn't do enough to see it through the Sunni perspective. Perhaps we should have done more to understand their position."
>He said history would have to decide whether the coalition should have anticipated the Sunni-Shia violence. "Given what we know now, I suppose the answer is that we should, but we did not know that at the time."
Over a million people in the street didn't tell you? Every expert on the Middle East in the Foreign Office, the Intelligence services, the military didn't tell you?
On May 2nd, 2007 Doubleplusungood (not verified) says:
So, Geoff Hoon leads us to believe that all was honest and truthful during his tenure of office at the MoD. This is not correct, in any way shape or form. I can provide evidence that the MoD is more than prepared to offer false information to a court, if the need arises. The truth is a word that is rarely respected, if the MoD sees fit.
Politicians are liars. It's a provable fact. They are also only interested in themselves, not you and me. If they were not they would never be selected, er sorry, elected.
The electoral system is a sham and a con to convince you and me that we are free to choose, when the truth is we are controlled by foreigners.
Basically no person will ever get into the Commons or Lords unless they have a few skeletons in the closet, or have done a few deals, with which the real power brokers (bankers, arms dealers, media tycoons, former career politicians who got fat at your expense and other such types) use to control them. It's also worth noting that in the US 95% of all media is owned by Jews.
Ask yourself why the US/UK is fighting (and dying for) Israel's wars, or fully supports Israels criminal wars against Palestine and Lebanon and ask yourself why are they are trying to convince you that using nuclear weapons against Iran is ok.
When will people pull their heads out of the sand and realise that there is no democracy or freedom in the West.
I don't think that this is about rats and sinking ships. Hoon got the short straw, so he had to go and make a few lame excuses to the Guardian. The Guardian's leader on the subject is quite good.
Sorry to break the sense of this thread but should you not now be (excitedly):
"chronicling the demise [especially the last few days] of the new labour project"
In my view, a few things appear to have happened recently that perhaps should be recorded on the chronicle .........
Maybe it would be nice to have a ticking clock or some sort of countdown device going on in the background........ it is the start of the end is it not?
Or maybe I am starting to see and hear things that are not really happening....
Here's an example of just one. Find out for yourself who owns the other 4.
Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation operates in nine different media on six continents. In 1995 its revenues were distributed between filmed entertainment (26 percent), newspapers (24 percent), television (21 percent), magazines (14 percent) and book publishing (12 percent). Its holdings include the US Fox broadcasting network; twenty-two television stations (the largest US station group); a 50 percent interest in several US and global cable networks, including fx, fxM and Fox Sports Tel; a 50 percent stake in Fox Kids Worldwide, the owner of cable Family Channel; ownership or major interests in satellite services; Twentieth Century Fox; some 130 newspapers (including The Times of London and theNew York Post); twenty-five magazines, includingTV Guide; book publishing interests, including HarperCollins; and the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/med5-d27.shtml
history would have to decide whether the coalition should have anticipated the Sunni-Shia violence.
Does he mean the Sunni-Shia violence that has been provoked by US/UK led death squads? There are over 100,000 'contractors' in Iraq. Some analysts reckon there are as many contractors as US army personnel. 'Contractors' is media spin for mercenaries.
This is the real crime of Bush Corp as far as Yanks should be concerned; creating a sectarian war and leaving the US army in 'harm's way'. It's divide and conquer. The last thing AIPAC controlled Bush Corp wants is a unified Iraqi population supporting a strong Iraqi government.
This short acrimonious exchange is a fine example of a problem I am seeing more and more of. One person believes that Jews own 95% of the US media, and says so (rather bravely I feel). Another person is horrified, and writes a blunt put-down. But what are the actual facts?
If it is true that Jews own 95% of the US media, it is brave and useful to say so publicly. On the other hand, it is easy, conventional, and politically correct to respond with a horrified denial. Most of the time, nowadays, such questions are not even raised because people do not want to expose themselves to criticism as possible racists or anti-semites.
Yet, if the media are seriously biased, shouldn't we realise this and take it into account?
On May 3rd, 2007 Doubleplusungood (not verified) says:
When will people pull their heads out of the sand and realise that there is no democracy or freedom in the West.
I must agree with anonymous on this sentence in his statement, this is most certainly correct. The use by the Western government's of the words Freedom & Democracy are the most perfect bluff, to hide the truth that citizens are in effect, not EQUAL but GRADED before the law.
It does not matter who owns the press, it is what they have done to the media that is important. Todays media refuses to uncover cases that are of a highly embarrassing nature to government's. The age of the true investigative journalist is long gone, they are tethered by the media owners, who are in cahoots with government to keep the status quo.
A big problem for most people is differentiating between Jews, Israel and Zionists. This is not an accident as Israel itself is dominated by Zionists who claim to be the government of Jews worldwide. Many Jews do not support Zionism and are as repelled as much as anyone by the excesses of the Israeli government with regard to foreign policy.
However the vast majority of Jews worldwide support Israel without question, both monetarily and politically, so they are de facto Zionists whether they like it or not. US and UK politics is dominated by Zionism, including Jews, Christian Fundamentalists and the 'funny handshake' brigades - e.g Skull and Bones, Freemasons, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, NWO'ers etc. etc.
Who remembers Robert Maxwell. A Czech Jew who joined the British Army during WWII and went on to become a British national. He robbed thousands of British pensioners of their future, and was buried like a hero on the Mount of Olives. What's that all about? Dame Shirley Porter? Lord Levy? These people are Zonists and yet profess to being British. Any Rabbi will tell you that when a Jew lives amongst the Goyim it is perfectly acceptable to swear oaths and pledges that are not binding in order to reach a position of influence that will benefit Jews worldwide. Israel will always come first. That's just the way it is.
I do actually happen to remember Robert Maxwell (aka Libby Hoch). He re-invented himself as more British than the British (plummy accent, Labour politics, Headington Hall and all the rest). And then he repays the country which gave him a new life by swindling God knows how many people. And - as Anonymous points out - he's finally laid to rest in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is in the country which seems to be the preferred refuge of numerous Russian -Jewish oligarchs who bled Russia white in the Yeltsin days (come to think of it, London doesn't do too badly in this field either).
It is clearly true that Israeli interests always come first for a number of prominent British Jews. It is for example noticeable that Melanie Phillips (eg on The Moral Maze) always takes positions which are indirectly supportive of Israel and critical of Muslims or indeed anyone else whom she thinks doesn't unconditionally support Israel.
One last point - we keep hearing that "not all Jews support Israel and many are very critical of it". That may well be true, but how come we never seem to hear very much about or from them?
we keep hearing that "not all Jews support Israel and many are very critical of it". That may well be true, but how come we never seem to hear very much about or from them?
I salute all Jews who stand against fascism, racism and apartheid. They stand against peer pressure and cultural conditioning. These people raise their heads up high even though they will be cast as traitors by there brethren. They demand our utmost respect, as do all people that put human suffering before politics and money..
p.s.. Take a hike 'Dick Cheney' - you little minded, mealy mouthed, brainwashed, know-nothing reactionary. Do some research before telling people they are talking 'crap'.
Ringverse, could you please explain to us all what anti-semitism is (not what it 'means') ? Do you not know that not all semites are Jews. Many Arab Moslems are semites, especially in Lebanon.
Is criticising Israeli foreign policy anti-semitic? We are in need of your education. Please share with us your enlightened understanding.
p.s. It's usually hyphenated, or (incorrectly) spelled as one word.
p.p.s. don't bother reading wikipedia and re-interpreting it. I want to know what YOU think it is.
We further believe that individuals and groups within all communities should feel free to express their views on any issue of public concern without incurring accusations of disloyalty.Independent Jewish Voices.
Or indeed being unjustly accused of anti-semitism, especially from one that does not know the meaning of the word semitism. http://www.semitism.net
Your knee-jerk reactions have an echo of the 'communist' screechers from McArthur's era. It's just now Cheney's era.
When will people pull their head out of the sand and realise they know absolutely nothing about what they talk about.
anti-Semitism One entry found for anti-Semitism. Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism Pronunciation: "an-tE-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI- Function: noun : hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group - an·ti-Se·mit·ic /-s&-'mi-tik/ adjective - an·ti-Sem·ite /-'se-"mIt/ noun
yes, yes we know what anti-semitism means but what is it.
Is criticing Israeli foreign policy anti-semetic?
Is pointing out that a few prominent Jews in British public life seem to have different loyalties when the crunch comes?
Pointing out that Israel is implementing apartheid?
Saying that the Zionist lobby dominates US politics and foreign policy?
Pointing out that Jewish people are the majority owners of US media corporations?
Because that's all that has been said here my friends. How can that be remotely close to the dictionary definition when it's all a simple matter of fact? You guys are in cohorts. I guess this is some sad front to elicit public opinion for some dubious ulterior motives (I hope so, and that you are not really retards).
Davide has already furnished you with the common usage of the term anti-semitism [ nowcorrectly hyphenated here, thank you].
Yes, I am aware that not only Jews are Semites.
You unfortunately appear to be under the impression that all Jews are supporters of the current Israeli government and avid zionists, and unaware that not all avid zionists and supporters of the current Israeli government are Jews.
Of course, if I have that wrong and you are not under that impression/are aware of that, then why would it matter 95% of the US media is owned by Jews? Jews are as diverse a bunch of people, with as diverse a range of views as any other aren't they?
Is criticising Israeli foreign policy anti-semitic? Don't be a prick. Of course it isnt. You will find plenty of criticism here from me and others on this site.
The original post was about Buff Hoon.
The comment I responded too was that "Jews own 95% of the US media" [and Dick Cheney's reponse to it]. That has nothing to do with the original post, or Israeli Foreign policy.
Hmm. Haven't you heard of a conflict of interests? That's the whole point. If most (not all) Jews support Israel (and they do) and they also own most of the media how is that going to play out when it comes to presenting the world we live in? Israel is not just mildly abrasive, it is downright brutal. Check it out at the UN buddy (and that despite the US dominance there).
Your other points I will ignore as they are offensive.
Ringverse, I decided to address your last post in detail as I utterly refute your unfounded accusations of anti-semitism
Davide has already furnished you with the common usage of the term anti-semitism
No, he just pasted in a dictionary definition. That does not explain why my comments are anti-semitic, or why you can so freely accuse me of anti-semitism. It's a serious charge buddy.
I am aware that not only Jews are Semites.
So, perhaps you are confused in accusing me of anti-semitism.
You unfortunately appear to be under the impression that all Jews are supporters of the current Israeli government and avid zionists, and unaware that not all avid zionists and supporters of the current Israeli government are Jews.
Here's what I said earlier. US and UK politics is dominated by Zionism, including Jews, Christian Fundamentalists and the 'funny handshake' brigades. You unfortunately appear not to be able to read.
Of course, if I have that wrong and you are not under that impression/are aware of that,
Yes, you have it wrong. How about an apology?
...then why would it matter 95% of the US media is owned by Jews?
Your happy to criticise career politicians for doing their jobs but dare not question some fundamantals about fair and accurate news reporting, particularly with regard to the political situation in the Middle East.
Jews are as diverse a bunch of people, with as diverse a range of views as any other aren't they
A major tenant of Judaism is to maintain Jewish racial purity and support the Jewish state in order to rebuild the Temple. Is that conducive to diverse political opinions when it comes to the state of Israel. I think not.
Is criticising Israeli foreign policy anti-semitic? Don't be a prick. Of course it isnt.
Well, what about the other points? They are merely facts. You accuse me of anti-semitism. That's a very serious charge indeed.
You will find plenty of criticism here from me and others on this site. The original post was about Buff Hoon. I may find 'plenty of criticism', just as I found plenty of reactionary name calling. You just focus in on personalities and detail without seeing the bigger picture. Why was the UK at war should be the question, not what Geoff Hoon was doing during that time.
The comment I responded too was that "Jews own 95% of the US media" [and Dick Cheney's reponse to it]. That has nothing to do with the original post, or Israeli Foreign policy.
Oh, so we must all stick to your script and not diverge away from it? That's going to make a good debate isn't it.
You are a very lucky that I posted all my messages as 'Anonymous'. If I had used my real name I would have cleaned you out in the courts for defamation. You libelous little slander.
Anonymous said "why was the UK at war should be the question, not what Geoff Hoon was doing at that time".
Precisely - all this talk of individuals is merely a diversion from the real question.
And the (extended) answer to that question is : the UK is at war becasue the US is at war. The US is at war because Israel thought that Iraq was posing a theat to it (IIsrael, I mean) and therefore had to be eliminated. Which also explains why Iran is now in the US's gunsights.
Any country which Israel judges constitutes a threat to its "top dog" status in the region has to be smashed.
If this sounds like a conspiracy theory, think carefully about the following : which country has REALLY benefitted from the second Iraq war and its wider geo-political aftermath? Not Iraq itself, not European states, not even the US itself - just Israel, in just about any terms you care to imagine.
With great respect to Independent Jewish voices and Davide Simonetti's own blog, these are very much minority voices which, moreover, remain relatively unknown as far as the greater public is concerned. I should be more impressed if some reasonably prominent British Jews came out with some reasonably critical comments in some reasonably prominent fora.
>"Maybe we were too
>"Maybe we were too optimistic about the idea of the streets being lined with cheering people. Although I have reconciled it in my own mind, we perhaps didn't do enough to see it through the Sunni perspective. Perhaps we should have done more to understand their position."
>He said history would have to decide whether the coalition should have anticipated the Sunni-Shia violence. "Given what we know now, I suppose the answer is that we should, but we did not know that at the time."
Over a million people in the street didn't tell you? Every expert on the Middle East in the Foreign Office, the Intelligence services, the military didn't tell you?
Stop re-writing history, you liar.
So, Geoff Hoon leads us to
So, Geoff Hoon leads us to believe that all was honest and truthful during his tenure of office at the MoD. This is not correct, in any way shape or form. I can provide evidence that the MoD is more than prepared to offer false information to a court, if the need arises. The truth is a word that is rarely respected, if the MoD sees fit.
Politicians are liars. It's
Politicians are liars. It's a provable fact. They are also only interested in themselves, not you and me. If they were not they would never be selected, er sorry, elected.
The electoral system is a sham and a con to convince you and me that we are free to choose, when the truth is we are controlled by foreigners.
Basically no person will ever get into the Commons or Lords unless they have a few skeletons in the closet, or have done a few deals, with which the real power brokers (bankers, arms dealers, media tycoons, former career politicians who got fat at your expense and other such types) use to control them. It's also worth noting that in the US 95% of all media is owned by Jews.
Ask yourself why the US/UK is fighting (and dying for) Israel's wars, or fully supports Israels criminal wars against Palestine and Lebanon and ask yourself why are they are trying to convince you that using nuclear weapons against Iran is ok.
When will people pull their heads out of the sand and realise that there is no democracy or freedom in the West.
I don't think that this is
I don't think that this is about rats and sinking ships. Hoon got the short straw, so he had to go and make a few lame excuses to the Guardian. The Guardian's leader on the subject is quite good.
Your mea culpa comes waaay
Your mea culpa comes waaay too late pal.
"Buff" Rides Again? Fat chance.
Off to the Hague!
"It's also worth noting that
"It's also worth noting that in the US 95% of all media is owned by Jews."
You were reading well until you posted this crap.
Sorry to break the sense of
Sorry to break the sense of this thread but should you not now be (excitedly):
"chronicling the demise [especially the last few days] of the new labour project"
In my view, a few things appear to have happened recently that perhaps should be recorded on the chronicle .........
Maybe it would be nice to have a ticking clock or some sort of countdown device going on in the background........ it is the start of the end is it not?
Or maybe I am starting to see and hear things that are not really happening....
"It's also worth noting that
"It's also worth noting that in the US 95% of all media is owned by Jews."
You were reading well until you posted this crap.
I don't make the facts buddy.
All US media is owned by just 5 corporations, it's a big fat FACT. http://www.corporations.org/media/
Here's an example of just one. Find out for yourself who owns the other 4.
Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation operates in nine different media on six continents. In 1995 its revenues were distributed between filmed entertainment (26 percent), newspapers (24 percent), television (21 percent), magazines (14 percent) and book publishing (12 percent). Its holdings include the US Fox broadcasting network; twenty-two television stations (the largest US station group); a 50 percent interest in several US and global cable networks, including fx, fxM and Fox Sports Tel; a 50 percent stake in Fox Kids Worldwide, the owner of cable Family Channel; ownership or major interests in satellite services; Twentieth Century Fox; some 130 newspapers (including The Times of London and the New York Post); twenty-five magazines, including TV Guide; book publishing interests, including HarperCollins; and the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/med5-d27.shtml
history would have to decide
history would have to decide whether the coalition should have anticipated the Sunni-Shia violence.
Does he mean the Sunni-Shia violence that has been provoked by US/UK led death squads? There are over 100,000 'contractors' in Iraq. Some analysts reckon there are as many contractors as US army personnel. 'Contractors' is media spin for mercenaries.
This is the real crime of Bush Corp as far as Yanks should be concerned; creating a sectarian war and leaving the US army in 'harm's way'. It's divide and conquer. The last thing AIPAC controlled Bush Corp wants is a unified Iraqi population supporting a strong Iraqi government.
This short acrimonious
This short acrimonious exchange is a fine example of a problem I am seeing more and more of. One person believes that Jews own 95% of the US media, and says so (rather bravely I feel). Another person is horrified, and writes a blunt put-down. But what are the actual facts?
If it is true that Jews own 95% of the US media, it is brave and useful to say so publicly. On the other hand, it is easy, conventional, and politically correct to respond with a horrified denial. Most of the time, nowadays, such questions are not even raised because people do not want to expose themselves to criticism as possible racists or anti-semites.
Yet, if the media are seriously biased, shouldn't we realise this and take it into account?
When will people pull their
When will people pull their heads out of the sand and realise that there is no democracy or freedom in the West.
I must agree with anonymous on this sentence in his statement, this is most certainly correct. The use by the Western government's of the words Freedom & Democracy are the most perfect bluff, to hide the truth that citizens are in effect, not EQUAL but GRADED before the law.
It does not matter who owns the press, it is what they have done to the media that is important. Todays media refuses to uncover cases that are of a highly embarrassing nature to government's. The age of the true investigative journalist is long gone, they are tethered by the media owners, who are in cahoots with government to keep the status quo.
A big problem for most
A big problem for most people is differentiating between Jews, Israel and Zionists. This is not an accident as Israel itself is dominated by Zionists who claim to be the government of Jews worldwide. Many Jews do not support Zionism and are as repelled as much as anyone by the excesses of the Israeli government with regard to foreign policy.
However the vast majority of Jews worldwide support Israel without question, both monetarily and politically, so they are de facto Zionists whether they like it or not. US and UK politics is dominated by Zionism, including Jews, Christian Fundamentalists and the 'funny handshake' brigades - e.g Skull and Bones, Freemasons, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, NWO'ers etc. etc.
Who remembers Robert Maxwell. A Czech Jew who joined the British Army during WWII and went on to become a British national. He robbed thousands of British pensioners of their future, and was buried like a hero on the Mount of Olives. What's that all about? Dame Shirley Porter? Lord Levy? These people are Zonists and yet profess to being British. Any Rabbi will tell you that when a Jew lives amongst the Goyim it is perfectly acceptable to swear oaths and pledges that are not binding in order to reach a position of influence that will benefit Jews worldwide. Israel will always come first. That's just the way it is.
Anonymous of 3rd May told it
Anonymous of 3rd May told it exactly as it is.
I do actually happen to remember Robert Maxwell (aka Libby Hoch). He re-invented himself as more British than the British (plummy accent, Labour politics, Headington Hall and all the rest). And then he repays the country which gave him a new life by swindling God knows how many people. And - as Anonymous points out - he's finally laid to rest in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is in the country which seems to be the preferred refuge of numerous Russian -Jewish oligarchs who bled Russia white in the Yeltsin days (come to think of it, London doesn't do too badly in this field either).
It is clearly true that Israeli interests always come first for a number of prominent British Jews. It is for example noticeable that Melanie Phillips (eg on The Moral Maze) always takes positions which are indirectly supportive of Israel and critical of Muslims or indeed anyone else whom she thinks doesn't unconditionally support Israel.
One last point - we keep hearing that "not all Jews support Israel and many are very critical of it". That may well be true, but how come we never seem to hear very much about or from them?
we keep hearing that "not
we keep hearing that "not all Jews support Israel and many are very critical of it". That may well be true, but how come we never seem to hear very much about or from them?
Maybe it's because you are not looking. Check out Independent Jewish Voices and the blogs which have covered it, including ours.
I salute all Jews who stand
I salute all Jews who stand against fascism, racism and apartheid. They stand against peer pressure and cultural conditioning. These people raise their heads up high even though they will be cast as traitors by there brethren. They demand our utmost respect, as do all people that put human suffering before politics and money..
p.s.. Take a hike 'Dick Cheney' - you little minded, mealy mouthed, brainwashed, know-nothing reactionary. Do some research before telling people they are talking 'crap'.
Given the thinly veiled anti
Given the thinly veiled anti semitic rhetoric in the previous comment, I think "talking crap" is an understatement.
The post had absolutely nothing to do with Judaism, Jews or Zionism. Why have the comments?
Try this.
Ringverse, could you please
Ringverse, could you please explain to us all what anti-semitism is (not what it 'means') ? Do you not know that not all semites are Jews. Many Arab Moslems are semites, especially in Lebanon.
Is criticising Israeli foreign policy anti-semitic? We are in need of your education. Please share with us your enlightened understanding.
p.s. It's usually hyphenated, or (incorrectly) spelled as one word.
p.p.s. don't bother reading wikipedia and re-interpreting it. I want to know what YOU think it is.
We further believe that
We further believe that individuals and groups within all communities should feel free to express their views on any issue of public concern without incurring accusations of disloyalty. Independent Jewish Voices.
Or indeed being unjustly accused of anti-semitism, especially from one that does not know the meaning of the word semitism.
http://www.semitism.net
Your knee-jerk reactions have an echo of the 'communist' screechers from McArthur's era. It's just now Cheney's era.
When will people pull their head out of the sand and realise they know absolutely nothing about what they talk about.
From Merriam-Webster
From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
From Dictionary.com
an·ti-Sem·i·tism /?ænti?s?m??t?z?m, ?ænta?-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-tee-sem-i-tiz-uhm, an-tahy-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews. [Origin: 1880–85] Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source an·ti-Sem·i·tism (a-n'te--se(m'i(-ti(z'?m, a-n'ti--) n.
1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism. 2. Discrimination against Jews.
(Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source anti-Semitism 1881, from Ger. Antisemitismus, first used by Wilhelm Marr in 1880, from anti- + Semite (q.v.). Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions or policies, but almost always used in this sense. Those who object to the inaccuracy of the term might try H. Adler's Judaeophobia (1882). [emphasis added]
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper WordNet - Cite This Source anti-semitism
noun the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University. American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite This Source anti-Semitism [(an-tee-sem-uh-tiz-uhm, an-teye-sem-uh-tiz-uhm)]
Prejudice or hatred against Jews, a Semitic race. (See Arab-Israeli conflict and Nazis.)
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As an example of the power
As an example of the power that the Zionists have in America, consider the trumped up case against Christopher Bollyn.
You do not have to agree with his views to support his right to express them!
Chris Bollyn (investigative journalist - a dying breed)
Jim Condit Jr recently highlighted this issue on radio ads when he stood for congress.
Jim Condit
yes, yes we know what
yes, yes we know what anti-semitism means but what is it.
Is criticing Israeli foreign policy anti-semetic?
Is pointing out that a few prominent Jews in British public life seem to have different loyalties when the crunch comes?
Pointing out that Israel is implementing apartheid?
Saying that the Zionist lobby dominates US politics and foreign policy?
Pointing out that Jewish people are the majority owners of US media corporations?
Because that's all that has been said here my friends. How can that be remotely close to the dictionary definition when it's all a simple matter of fact? You guys are in cohorts. I guess this is some sad front to elicit public opinion for some dubious ulterior motives (I hope so, and that you are not really retards).
Davide has already furnished
Davide has already furnished you with the common usage of the term anti-semitism [ nowcorrectly hyphenated here, thank you].
Yes, I am aware that not only Jews are Semites.
You unfortunately appear to be under the impression that all Jews are supporters of the current Israeli government and avid zionists, and unaware that not all avid zionists and supporters of the current Israeli government are Jews.
Of course, if I have that wrong and you are not under that impression/are aware of that, then why would it matter 95% of the US media is owned by Jews? Jews are as diverse a bunch of people, with as diverse a range of views as any other aren't they?
Is criticising Israeli foreign policy anti-semitic? Don't be a prick. Of course it isnt. You will find plenty of criticism here from me and others on this site.
The original post was about Buff Hoon.
The comment I responded too was that "Jews own 95% of the US media" [and Dick Cheney's reponse to it]. That has nothing to do with the original post, or Israeli Foreign policy.
Hmm. Haven't you heard of a
Hmm. Haven't you heard of a conflict of interests? That's the whole point. If most (not all) Jews support Israel (and they do) and they also own most of the media how is that going to play out when it comes to presenting the world we live in? Israel is not just mildly abrasive, it is downright brutal. Check it out at the UN buddy (and that despite the US dominance there).
Your other points I will ignore as they are offensive.
Ringverse, I decided to
Ringverse, I decided to address your last post in detail as I utterly refute your unfounded accusations of anti-semitism
Davide has already furnished you with the common usage of the term anti-semitism
No, he just pasted in a dictionary definition. That does not explain why my comments are anti-semitic, or why you can so freely accuse me of anti-semitism. It's a serious charge buddy.
I am aware that not only Jews are Semites.
So, perhaps you are confused in accusing me of anti-semitism.
You unfortunately appear to be under the impression that all Jews are supporters of the current Israeli government and avid zionists, and unaware that not all avid zionists and supporters of the current Israeli government are Jews.
Here's what I said earlier. US and UK politics is dominated by Zionism, including Jews, Christian Fundamentalists and the 'funny handshake' brigades. You unfortunately appear not to be able to read.
Of course, if I have that wrong and you are not under that impression/are aware of that,
Yes, you have it wrong. How about an apology?
...then why would it matter 95% of the US media is owned by Jews?
Your happy to criticise career politicians for doing their jobs but dare not question some fundamantals about fair and accurate news reporting, particularly with regard to the political situation in the Middle East.
Jews are as diverse a bunch of people, with as diverse a range of views as any other aren't they
A major tenant of Judaism is to maintain Jewish racial purity and support the Jewish state in order to rebuild the Temple. Is that conducive to diverse political opinions when it comes to the state of Israel. I think not.
Is criticising Israeli foreign policy anti-semitic? Don't be a prick. Of course it isnt.
Well, what about the other points? They are merely facts. You accuse me of anti-semitism. That's a very serious charge indeed.
You will find plenty of criticism here from me and others on this site. The original post was about Buff Hoon.
I may find 'plenty of criticism', just as I found plenty of reactionary name calling. You just focus in on personalities and detail without seeing the bigger picture. Why was the UK at war should be the question, not what Geoff Hoon was doing during that time.
The comment I responded too was that "Jews own 95% of the US media" [and Dick Cheney's reponse to it]. That has nothing to do with the original post, or Israeli Foreign policy.
Oh, so we must all stick to your script and not diverge away from it? That's going to make a good debate isn't it.
You are a very lucky that I posted all my messages as 'Anonymous'. If I had used my real name I would have cleaned you out in the courts for defamation. You libelous little slander.
Anonymous said "why was the
Anonymous said "why was the UK at war should be the question, not what Geoff Hoon was doing at that time".
Precisely - all this talk of individuals is merely a diversion from the real question.
And the (extended) answer to that question is : the UK is at war becasue the US is at war. The US is at war because Israel thought that Iraq was posing a theat to it (IIsrael, I mean) and therefore had to be eliminated. Which also explains why Iran is now in the US's gunsights.
Any country which Israel judges constitutes a threat to its "top dog" status in the region has to be smashed.
If this sounds like a conspiracy theory, think carefully about the following : which country has REALLY benefitted from the second Iraq war and its wider geo-political aftermath? Not Iraq itself, not European states, not even the US itself - just Israel, in just about any terms you care to imagine.
With great respect to
With great respect to Independent Jewish voices and Davide Simonetti's own blog, these are very much minority voices which, moreover, remain relatively unknown as far as the greater public is concerned. I should be more impressed if some reasonably prominent British Jews came out with some reasonably critical comments in some reasonably prominent fora.